Hi. Let's just get this out of the way. I like 5v5 over 6v6, and I still do.
I played Overwatch 1 only a few times because I couldn't afford the game, so I actually "started" with 2.
When the first 6v6 modes came out, I went into them with an open mind, and was very mixed. Since I'm mainly a support player, the thing that stood out to me the most was the lack of agency. I was forced to healbot way more than I had in 5v5, and this is mainly due to the global anti heal passive (will get to this later). Plus having 1 more tank made the role very shallow and one-note. Couldn't go for an angle because there's one extra person that needed healing. This is especially egregious if you're playing a support that has low healing output like Wuyang or Zenyatta.
Playing either of these pretty much forces your other support to be the healbot of the team, since their unfrequent, rather slow single-target healing becomes rather unreliable for 6v6 with global antiheal passive +1 more player to heal up, unlike 5v5 where it feels fine.
This also shows that some characters were made for 6v6, others for 5v5.
Take Baptiste for example. Because of the fast nature of 5v5, he got left behind. Easily dove, lamp (immortality field) doesn't feel as relevant especially because its clunky to use (short range, have to watch out to not break LOS, low hp) and long cooldown. Window also feels off. It being stationary as if your team can just box up behind it to use it, compared to something less involved like Kitsune or Orbital Ray feels like it was made for a different kind of game. A different overwatch.
And then you play 6v6, and he geniunely feels perfectly fine there. Your weakness of being less mobile is covered by having an extra tank to peel for you, his AoE abilities do more because there's one more player that can get hit , and due to the slower nature of 6v6 its easier to get value with your kit in general. I feel like Moira also benefits from this.
AoE abilities on supports, when thrown into 6v6, get "amped", while "single target" abilities get indirectly hurt because of the extra player. Juno's torpedoes got nerfed specifically for 6v6, Mizuki's heal got nerfed specifically for 6v6. Some characters have elements in their kits that become a problem when adding or removing a player from the equation.
So, 2-2-2 is finallly back. And I tried it, with all of this in mind, and I dare to say its the most fun I had playing 6v6. The nerf to the global anti heal passive is HUGE, it feels like you can actually do something with your heals, more impact, more heal output without being too much, but still apropriate because you have one extra player to heal.
But then there's the ugly sides of things. People don't want to swap to tank. And when they do, it's the "DPS"-oriented tanks like Hog, Doom, JQ, and not really an "Main tank" like Rein or Orisa Hog especially feels egregious in this mode. He's unfun to play with and against, because playing against Hog you constantly have to worry about wether he has hook or not before you try to go for a play.
With him on your team he doesn't really feel "interactable" because he has his vape and doesn't "need" you as much as other tanks need. He doesn't have abilities to directly protect you so he just feels like a fat dps that plays selfishly. Literally I'd say only Hog is the annoying thing in 6v6, other than that I feel it's perfectly fine.
I like the current 6v6 mode. I think it's the best version of 6v6. I still like 5v5, but I believe 5v5 and 6v6 can coexist together, without one replacing the other, and everyone is happy. But it feels weird that some people are very vocal about 6v6 but they don't bother to go tank to help the poor lone tank that has to do everything alone, hence the image.
What do you think? Do you disagree? I'd want to see your opinions.
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No, they can't coexist(6v6 RQ I'm referring to). We have seen the chart from Team 4 about the queue times for 6v6 and it was bad. They want to avoid that. Now imagine 6v6 RQ and 5v5 coexisting. That will be much worse, mainly on the 6v6 side of things. I want 6v6 RQ back as I think I'll have more fun there than 5v5 but I also understand Team 4 reasoning to stick to 5v5 for all this time and avoid 6v6 RQ. The tank role simply have to fundamentally change for 6v6 RQ to work. Team 4 can bandaid it with whatever weird gimmick they try to come up with.
I want 6v6 back. I love playing Tank in 6v6 and I absolutely hate tanking in 5v5. Plus, if its 1-3-2, it means that Damage players can no longer blame the Tank if they chose to never help by swapping themselves.
Plus, if its 1-3-2, it means that Damage players can no longer blame the Tank if they chose to never help by swapping themselves.
In turn, non toxic dps players who can't/don't like to play tank will get scapegoated and flamed.
Then DPS players excuse themselves with: "Sorry DPS main."
Been tanking non stop in this new mode baby. Just heal meeee
As someone whose best roles are tank and support, I do wish for it to be 1-2-3 instead so I can flex between my 2 best roles. But 6v6 is 6v6. Been wanting it back since the day it gone, so no complains here lol
I would tank, if Zarya didnt get auto ban constantly :(
Who are we kidding, DPS would still blame tank
Damage players can no longer blame the Tank if they chose to never help by swapping themselves.
I love how support 1-tricks always get a free pass.
The best version of 6v6 is 2 2 2, not maybe 2 2 2, maybe 1 3 2. 2 2 2 with DPS and support health nerfed back to OW1 levels. If you wanna play it, wait your turn or queue tank. But either way, stop complaining about queue times if you're not willing to be part of the solution. Its really just that simple
Doesn't it point to an inherent design flaw in the game when 1/3 of the time you are stuck playing a role famously unenjoyable?
I dont want to play tank thats true but 6v6 is the only way I'll even consider it. Fuck that bs in 5v5
Potential hot take: Quick play should be open queue with both 5v5 and 6v6 Comp should have the role lock.
Then you'd have only dps, the experience isnt already good so imagine in open queue.
Gimme dva bruh it's GAS
I've been seeing a lot of Doomfists feeding in the new mode lately. I want to say it's just the 5v5ers thinking they have more durability, but idk.
Correct. Tanks are more durable in 5v5 and can survive a solo dive or a bad decision. In 6v6 you have to make good decisions all the time and/or be in voice and coordinate with you team. As I type this I think 5v5 made Overwatch lose som of its appeal as you didn’t need tot Kai in voice as much. In 6v6 this becomes more needed. I miss the days of everyone in voice chatting and making plans.
ME! ME! I'LL PLAY TANK
RIGHT ON BROTHA!
Rushing through the crowd as orisa feeling like a literal tank
Both modes can coexist, but they need separate balance as certain heroes are better in either modes. This will also split up the smurfs so less chance to run into one every game.
Id love to play tank if the tank i wanted to play wasnt absolute dogshit in 6v6
I play tank
I want to play 6v6, I want to play tank.
Me I'll play tank
Ive played more tank in the last two days than I have since OW 2 launched. Junker Queen is like 10x more fun as an off tank over a being a toothpick people shoot past in 5v5.
over a being a toothpick people shoot past in 5v5
Eh? JQ absolutely murders people in 5v5.
Both should be exist, I'm more enjoying playing tank in 6v6
Me - I want to play tank, but only if its 6v6.
no tank is choosing to tank in 5v5 role queue over 6v6 role queue, though
I much prefer tanking in 5v5 than in 6v6, I don't like having to depend on another person and I like the most important player on my team because I know I can carry (most of the time)
Yeah but it 1-2-2 better fits the ratio of how people queue into each role that it didn’t affect queue times like 2-2-2 has done once the novelty of 2 tanks wears off and people go back to their preferred roles instead of tank.
Nah, I play lots of tank in 5v5 role que and I refuse to play tank in 6v6, role que or not. Having my ability to do my job rely so much on the off tank doing theirs is not fun at all.
I like both. Only issue is I have no clue how they would tune every single character to be viable for both 5v5 and 6v6
its impossible, thats why us 6v6ers want 6v6 to be the main mode again
tanking in 6v6 is a joy when my other tank works with me. i’ve become extremely fond of dva/winston especially bc we’re just zooming all over the place and being able to play around his bubble is just so fun. i do enjoy 5v5 tank, i kind of feel like a violent god harming the weak and innocent (?), but the social pressure gets pretty high and even though 6v6 tank is more complicated it just feels less stressful overall and more cooperative 🩷
They changed it to 5v5 for a reason...
I'll tank in 6v6 any day of the week. Its so much more fun with tank combos and more players on the map. 5v5 tank is just a miserable experience
i dislike the pressure of being a solo tank, this gamemode is making tank fun again for me
ME ME ME I DO I DO
As a 6v6 glazer this is a pretty accurate meme ngl
In current OW 6vs6 "Open Queue" could really work. A lot of tanks like Junker Queen that feels weak since their introduction are very good in a 6vs6 environment. Also we got bans to prevent cancerous comp, like you don't like GOATS ban Zen and Lucio or Juno, you don't like Double Shield ban Sigma or Baptiste. If we gonna talk about 6vs6 "Role Queue" could work as well. The problem here will be long queues, specially for DPS and even supports on high elo and Blizzard can't do much about this. The only thing that could work to solve this is you are attempting to play your main role, but sometimes you get auto filled on Tank, and since you are autofilled you are losing less points if Defeat and you are earning more points if Victory. However, they need to be careful on this to prevent boosted players.
This same thing happened last time 6v6 role queue was tested. Everyone says “I’ll play tank so much more” but then a week later no one wants to play tank. People can make posts about never playing tank in 5v5 and enjoying it so much more in 6v6 their opinion is valid. The reality is though, the queue times never reflect this sentiment. Tank will always be the bottleneck.
The biggest reason why they had to go 5v5 in the first place was because there simply weren't enough tank players to make role queues functional. Every time there's some kind of 6v6 test of any sort, you look on here and it's 3000 upvotes for comments going "I love tanking in 6v6!!!!" and then you go into the game and the tank queue is 42 milliseconds while the DPS queue is 8 minutes. And when they try to fix this with "incentives" for queueing tank you get uninterested DPS players in the other tank slot and the actual tank players just suffer anyway. Every OW1 tank main knows the feeling: you load into the game and it's a coinflip whether your tank partner even wants to tank.
This is why 1,3,2 was probably the best.
The problem imo is that when 6v6 is finally added it’s not properly adjusted for 6v6 so people who have never played ow1 get a negative opinion on 6v6. I’ve been a tank player since ow1 and I think if they actually give 6v6 a try and try to combine elements from ow1 and ow2, they could make a game mode where people actually want to play tank. I kind of get why people don’t like to play tank but at the same time It’s crazy to me that so many people hate playing tank that the devs had to change the format of the game.
I was a main tank til 5v5. Now I just play dps
Anyone wanting 6v6 is an idiot that didn't sit through 5-10 minute queues for a single match, every match back in ow1. It took the content drought to kill the playerbase to have a queue time that was reasonable. This was a major reason why 5v5 was a thing in the first place. Why the devs are so insistent relearning the same fucking lessons again and again, I don't know.
I never had queues that long except in extremely rare situations, and I played tons of Junkrat and Soldier 76 back in the day.
ME LET ME PLAY REIN WHENEVER THE FUCK I WANT I DON'T HAVE TO ASK MY TEAM MATES IF I CAN FUCK AROUND ON REIN IF THERE'S ANOTHER TANK TO USE THE SPACE I CREATE CHARGING IN
Hog is my favorite character and he is in a good place right now tbh. I think there is nothing wrong about him especially as an off-tank
Most people that want 6v6 back are tank players but sure kiddo !
6 queue for all roles games and 6 games as tank
I mean, hell, I will if I get to use Domina, and this is coming from a support main. I think that there's a tank to fit everyone's play style, you just need to check them all out and see which one clicks. For me, it's definitely Domina, and Junker Queen to a lesser extent.
My take is that…. Do people have amnesia or something? We had 6v6, and we had 2-2-2, but the playerbase will never be distributed that way, so we get terrible queue times. 5v5 was the solution to the smaller number of tank players, and I’m not convinced the current 6v6 hype would last. I like how we have both now, and honestly I think open queue is the best solution for 6v6. Most of the times I play it we end up with 2-2-2 anyway.
I don't think they can, though. There are a finite number of tank players to go around. Splitting the main game mode like this is not healthy for queue times for either mode. It also brings up balancing concerns since 5v5 and 6v6 have different balancing needs. Tanking in 6v6 can only improve if the devs are willing to put in the effort to balance the mode like it's a core game mode.
they need an actually balance patch for this mode to be enjoyable. the first qp hacked 6v6 felt fun and not one-sided stops and I think because you could flex to tank if you were one of the dps. que times were actually short for all roles too and it just seemed like people were having way more fun. this playtest games feel almost one sided and que times for dps and support are super long. I think more people are playing comp because I could almost instantly play games instead of waiting a couple minutes to play. So far most of the games this play test felt like one-sided stomps instead of balanced. I play a lot of ow 2 support heroes and the only one I found that didn't feel miserable to play was Juno. All the other ones I felt like all I could do was heal and then run out of heals on loop.
I tank in both but enjoy 6v6 more. I kinda wish we had a single "Flex" slot that could go any role but that probably won't be used for its intended purpose as I feel like most people nowadays only play 1 role only, so a flex slot would just be filled with people using it as an alternative queue for their role.
I'll play tank when we get some interesting new heros. I think if they honestly shipped a couple new tanks in a row that might be bring in more players. The roster is boring. Hazard didn't hit. Mauga is boring. Domina is fine. Damage gets interesting new heroes support gets interesting new heroes. Tank feels left out still.
It’s funny‘cause it’s true
man, to me -- there is a problem -- and the problem is a good chunk of people not taking anything but DPS. I honestly love mixing it up, but am one of the few who do. I do a 'queue all' every day for a bit and end up playing tank 100% of those times, then I will switch to 'dps and support' then play support 100% of the time. Luckily by this point I have gotten better with tanking (you learn to) but my god is it stressful, tanking is a huge role... and a thankless one. While learning how to play it you are ripped apart by teammates and every loss is blamed on you (which is probably true, tanks are the central role and all... but you gotta learn from somewhere). Anyways, I am finally at the point where logging into QP none competitive as tank I do well (I now often get mad when the enemy team's dps complains of THEIR tank, takes me back to being in that poor guys' shoes). Anyways, the 6v6 was my favorite until it REALLY showed how people don't queue for tank at ALL. If only there was a magic way to detect a whiny DPS player complaining of tank and forcing them to tank next round =P
As a tank main qince ow1, I love 5v5 much, much more. My life would be miserable either way, but at least I'm playing a character that actually tanks damage.
As long as I have a good backline the games are somewhat okay. Getting Mercy Mizuki game after game is making me want to blow my shit smooth off
I'll 🛡 you
Nothing is wrong with tank I don’t even get this. You’re literally the strongest character in the game
they can coexist but 1 will always be the main mode.
I’m beginning to have opinions about people who don’t want to or perhaps can’t play tank.
I think just one queue where 1-2-2, 1-3-2, and 2-2-2 were possible would be fine.
I play tank and healers complain when I ask for healing while I'm constantly on the verge of death :')
Just play the mode you like better, 5v5 isn't going anywhere. This experiment was likely successful enough that it will replace 6v6 OQ soon, but not so successful that they'll completely replace both queues with it, that's crazy.
I pretty much exclusively play tank in this mode and I'm never waiting long for a match.
me bro i. want to play tank
I want to play a tank! Even with my friend, so we get two tanks every game! https://preview.redd.it/9ikcdmc5dogh1.png?width=968&format=png&auto=webp&s=f3bd17a184a16e12bc679a81bbff838b856cf72c