..."declaring war" on Jon if he found out Lyanna was in love with another man? Ned is the only one who can knock some sense into Robert...but with Robert's temper and blind love for Lyanna, I just don't know!
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She looks like Alicent from this angle
She does!
The tragedy lies in the fact that Ned was the only one that Robert actually took any advice from, except for the Targeryens. As soon as Rhaegar’s name was mentioned. Robert became no longer rational friend, but the usurper. Ned did not tell the truth not only to shield Jon from robert, but also to shield Robert from making Ned choose between his king and his family.
Explanation was chefs kiss
Yes and PS, I agree - if it got to that point, I believe Ned would choose Jon over Robert everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.
It wasn’t until his deathbed that Robert had some empathy for the Targeryens.
Maybe but I think Robert would had still try to end it. So he could have her. I think he could stop him with saving Jon. But his real father no. His mom yes if she had stayed alive. He could had stop Robert. Jon still would had been rise by Ned. But his mom would had kept him safe. Until it was time for him to take the throne.
I feel like (And could easily be wrong, who knows?) that if Lyanna just confronted Robert and said like *“Look, Bob, this is what’s happening, that’s that…”* Maybe? I don’t know, but face to face and with witnesses it would have just been one pissed off guy. Sure, overthrow the mad king, but Rhaegar would have likely made a wonderful king
You are absolutely wrong. There's a reason they absconded the way they did. There were no words Lyanna could ever speak to Robert that would make him back down and accept that Rhaegar was going to steal his betrothed.
Ned might have convinced Robert that Lyanna wasn't kidnapped, but I don't think he could've convinced him to forgive a Targaryen.
No he would not. He would have killed the child immediately, and if Ned tried to stop him, he might've killed Ned, too.
Robert dies after then. The North, Riverlands, and Vale (perhaps even the Reach and Dorne as they were Targ supporters), vurses the Stormlands and Westerlands… maybe. And the Crownlands… ha! If Jon Arryn offers the Iron Islands independence, then they join too. The Seven Kingdoms breaks apart with Robert’s death. All because he wanted to kill an innocent baby.
See that's partly my logic. Friendships can get tested, and obviously most of the outcomes don't lead to death...but every friendship has a price.
I don’t think so. Robert loved the idea of Lyanna more than he ever understood who she actually was
he loved Ned Rihanna was just a means to an end to join their houses and to officially be brothers with Ned. if Ned properly explain things and the plan was to put them in the wall anyways as long as Jon Snow stayed snow and was destined for the wall I don't see Robert even caring. if anything it would improve their relationship and Robert what's that being hung up on Lyanna overnight.
Yes I think he loved the idea of her, like he created a fantasy of her. Although he didn't know it, he mourned for who he wanted her to be.
No. Because ultimately Robert would have felt slighted and assumed she was coerced. She wasn’t allowed to have any form of agency and that’s why she had to keep her identity a secret as a knight competing in the tourney. It would have taken her father formerly breaking the betrothal agreement to get Robert to back off. That’s the only person that could have saved Lyanna from Robert. Her own father. Robert would have never accepted that his own behavior was what pushed Lyanna away. He’s not introspective at all. He would have still wanted someone to blame. It was easy because Rhaegar was married to another woman. The Mad King’s reign made it super easy.
Yes. After a fashion. Robert did something unimaginable for Robert Baratheon hater of Taragryens, he gave up on trying to kill Dany. Robert would rage, Robert would scream, but when push comes to shove, he would not "pull the trigger" on Ned. The problem is not Robert, the problem is literally everyone around him who would not allow a Targaryen heir (bastard or not) to live, not unless he either took the black or was immediately married off to someone important, such as Myrcella, which is what Twyin would have pushed for, assuming of course he didn't immediately go for Jon taking the black or just being killed.
Yeah, I was asking more on a purely emotional level, nevermind the politics behind it.
yes. Robert only loved Lyanna because she is Neds sister. he loved Ned and wanted to join their blood line. if Ned properly explained and the plan was to put them in the wall anyways I don't see Robert caring all that much if anything it would prove how strong their brotherhood is that Ned would trust him to do the right thing. Jon Snow would be safe as long as he was destined to go to the wall and a "snow"