Yes the government is just a temporary situation that is transitory in nature.
Yes the government is just a temporary situation that is transitory in nature.
Sure. You want the best for your country and you think the current government ain't that
yes everything is not black or white.
Yes you can like what you think your country's values are while disliking the administration that runs the country, these you can separate to an extent
Pretty common sentiment
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"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and your government when it deserves it" Mark Twain (probably)
I always support the government because I support the constitution. I often dont support the people we’ve elected to represent us in government because they often dont follow the constitution.
can you be liberal but have some republican views? of course. it’s a spectrum. doesn’t have to be one or the other.
Yes, the people of China are lovely and the CCP is evil. Easy.
As an American, this is my daily reality
The most patriotic thing you can do is have a healthy distrust of the government no matter who is running it.
Definitely the case in most African countries
Yep, very common. A "Management Issue". I'm living this now. Hate the Australian government, left the country over it, but love the country and it's people. If ever called, I would fight and die to protect Australia. Maybe one day we will see eye to eye.
As with the recent and current state of the USA?
Aren’t those just libertarians?
I’ve been doing it my whole life.
Don’t forget, the government is supposed to serve the people, not the other way around.
Obviously that's 90% of the country 😂
Of course. It's even pretty easy.
It's common thing in France...
Yes. A country is much more than its governmental body. Your love your country often comes from a dislike from its government BECAUSE you want the best for it. They aren’t the antithesis of each other, but having a greater love for your government than your country often leads down sour routes historically speaking. And loving your government certainly does not mean you love your country. My love for my country is a combination of its wilderness, the people, the vastness, the differences and likenesses of upbringings and ultimately the sovereignty/melting pot that it is. On an individual level, people are truly wonderful, and they are often sculpted from their environment. But governments are made of masses… so is cancer….
Let me guess. American?
As a Filipino? Yes. I love my country because of course, it’s my comfort-zone. But the government definitely makes me wanna leave ASAP.
It is possible to love and serve your neighbours and recognize that things are fucky. But, loving the country requires knowledge of what it is and a willingness to have the image of the country be updated. One shouldn't be loving a past that never were real. It makes studying history an obligation.
Yes, I’m pretty sure you’re describing lots of Americans right now. From both sides of the aisle too.
Despising the fuck out of the government is your patriotic duty.
It me.
Patriotism should not be blind loyalty.
Your government isn't your country
Of course! You can't be a real Patriot unless you hold your Government accountable and to standards. Real Patriots don't lick boots.
― Sydney J. Harris
My dad says "I love my country, but I hate my government!"
I always fly a flag out front regardless of who is in power, and not turned upside down when we have a president i dont like. I love this country, I love its people, I love its constitution and the freedom it grants us. Dont kid yourself thinking your rights are granted to you by God, if you didnt have a government with ability to enforce laws defending those rights, you wouldnt have them. We’ll get our shit together eventually. It may not be within my lifetime, but I’m here to work on making my country a better place to live and I cant do that without patriotism.
Yes. There's a great quote on patriotism by Theodore Roosevelt. "Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President or any other public official save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him in so far as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. In either event it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth — whether about the President or about anyone else — save in the rare cases where this would make known to the enemy information of military value which would otherwise be unknown to him."
At the federal level, the 'government' consists of one President, 535 assorted legislators, and hundreds of thousands of unelected government employees. Of these, you have some ability to directly influence (eg, vote for/against) only the choice of the President, one member of the House and two Senators. And far too often your choice is to pick the candidates you dislike the least.
Your view of your country is subjective to your immediate surrounding - family, friends, neighbors, coworkers. The government sees your country as taxpayers, voters, minorities, ethnic groups etc. They are not your friends and they don't want what's good for you, unless it serves them.
Yes
Yes, but I also think most people severely underestimate how much government does for their everyday lives. That's especially true in rural areas, where many people view government as little more than a nuisance, despite often being among its biggest beneficiaries.
I keep thinking about that chapter in the Fifth Risk (Michael Lewis) that covers the Department of Agriculture. One of its many function is to channel low-interest-rate loans into rural towns of less than 50,000 people. No bank would ever invest in those towns; 95% of loans are backed and/or financed by the USDA; the money is simple channeled through the local bank but it comes from the US Govt.
Fire station? Electricity? Internet access? Healthcare? Drinking water? If you live in a small rural town and you have those, it's not because of capitalism, it's because the US Govt deems these essential and has been investing in your local government.
In Minnesota, the USDA had made a loan to a government-shade-throwing, Fox News-watching, small-town businessman. The bank held a ceremony and the guy wound up being interviewed by the local paper. He’s telling the reporter how proud he is to have done it on his own. The USDA person goes to introduce herself, and he says, ”So, who are you?” She says, ”I’m the USDA person.” He asks, ”What are you doing here?” She says, ”Well, sir, we supplied the money you are announcing.” He was white as a sheet.
We'd have this check. We'd blow it up and try to have a picture taken with it. It said UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT in great big letters. In the red southern states the mayor sometimes would say, ”Can you not mention that the government gave this?” Even when it was saving lives, or preserving communities, the government remained oddly invisible. It’s just a misunderstanding of the system. We don’t teach people what government actually does.
That's often a requirement.