If I’m flex queuing, putting me on tank every match is insulting. You should get priority queue into another role every other match. I hate that flex queue just means tanking every match.
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Isnt there like 500(tank) exp vs 100 exp(dps,supp) reward? (I dont know, hate playing tank)
There is. As someone who picks flex all the time, I wish I was rewarded more.
Those rewards can actually be assigned to any role depending on how many people are queing what. If theres a minor lack of a certain role, that role gives 100 xp, and if there's a big shortage, it gets 500. Naturally theres almost always a shortage of tanks leading to tank and flex getting the reward, but I've even seen it briefly given to dps once or twice. Regardless though its just a pretty inconsequential reward. If you dont buy the battlepass then what, you're getting some lame icon or spray slightly faster? Real incentivising.
I queue for flex because i legit enjoy filling for whatever my team needs on all roles but i genuinely can't tell when's the last time game gave me dps or i played dps in general because most the times is it gives you tank like you said and then support 😔
Me too but I hate playing tank all day
I still remembered the first time I queued as dps and it wasnt the last 10 seconds of a lopsided loss and I legit didnt remember how to play anyone it had been so long. I defaulted to soldier because its just run and shoot and that fits in the goblin amount of RAM that is my brain.
I have often wondered about an incentive to play x games of flex to get a priority pass for your chosen role (damage always seems to have the longest wait.)
They tried that during overwatch 1. The general consensus was that DPS players would do it, then lock roadhog and play like a DPS during the match.
Then people will abuse priority queues
True
They tried this. In OW1 they offered Flex tickets to those who queued and finished games as flex. But what would happen is DPS players would flex and throw the game because they just wanted faster queue on their main role.
Damn ok I didn’t know that
UWhat if you also have to win?
Is that really even worth doing now though? Even if youre just walking around in spawn, you still have to wait for the whole game to end. By the time you've qued flex, gone through a whole pick/ban phase, threw your game, then que dps, youve now wasted more time than if you had just qued dps and waited for the regular que. I've been playing dps almost exclusively for like a month and yea you dont get the 10 second tank ques, but I dont think I've ever waited longer than 5 minutes in dps que, average is like 2 mins. I guess if you're an extremely high rank it might be worth it?
Yeah, and that was maybe the absolute dumbest way to incentivize people to flex. “Flex so you don’t have to flex” — really? Just give flex queuers a percent boost to their experience, rank, or both. That will reward them for CONTINUING to flex queue. Plain and simple.
That's a single way to implement it, not the only way to implement it. IMO it should be trying to give queue times that are not entirely instant, but rather representating a middle-ground between all the various roles. And then giving you games for all the various roles at a proportion that reflects the "mirror" of current player queue depths. They've talked about the way their matchmaker algorithm works, and honestly it just seems too naive. It really shouldn't just be automatically attaching you to the next in-range game. And yes, "throw a game on Hog, and your next DPS queue is instant" is a horrible idea for obvious reasons.
They tried that before and it didn't work. People just did the bare minimum to get their rewards. You'd see an uptick in tanks like Hog or Zarya that play like DPS and harming the match quality and enjoyment of the game.
That’s why it needs to be an incremental award you only get from continuing to flex queue. Just give a percent boost to key progress measures like experience and rank. Rank might be a hot take but genuinely — if you added flex queue for all ranks you’d fix the comp queues so long as doing so doesn’t screw your progress across the roles (since you’ll by default move slower than solo queue). Input some hidden timer that means you can’t get any one role more than 3 times in a row so tank players don’t exploit it and you’re golden.
Flex queue needs to be renamed to fill, I see this same post every 3 days. Its not flex, its never been flex its just been give me fast queue times.
Agreed - I'd even take a cool title or weapon charm. Throw a dog a bone!
Why bother playing the game if you aren't enjoying it? I don't play this game because I enjoy tank more than dps or vice versa, I definitely don't queue one role. From the start I wanted to be equal in all roles... This usually translate to some days I wanna tank more than dps, or maybe pepper all of the above in there? Maybe I wanna chill and zen for the session? Maybe I wanna just spam doomfist? It varies day to day for me. But, the point is I enjoy every bit of this game. The reward is playing well, Seeing improvement for me. No lootbox or whatever other compensation will beat that.
Blizzard needs to let go of their greed and reward flex queuers with Overwatch coins.
They need to have a closed system where you only get priority if you remain flex queued. If I’m flexing that means I want to play everything, not that I want the fastest queue time. I want to play a few matches in every role then be done for the day.
That would ruin the game, people would lock tank and throw for coins.
This is why if I feel like I've had my fair share of tank matches, I just pick only the two other roles for the rest of the day.
SAME. I feel like I flex queue cuz I wanna play all roles but after a few matches I have to just queue dps and support.
Yeah, which is a shame. They've said that there's no way to avoid the All Roles queue being essentially just a tank queue, but... *really*? Come on now. Obviously if you just use the naive matchmaking algorithm and look for the next unfilled game, the tightest MMR slot that will be unfilled first is going to be a tank slot. The reality is that that algorithm just doesn't cut it; you're going to have to earmark that game, and then continue searching, loosening MMR spread at a faster rate than usual, and then making game assignments based on balancing overall queues and comparing to average queue times at that MMR. Everyone intuitively understands the All Roles queue should give you a middle-ground faster queue time, and roles in a "mirror"ed proportion to the current queue depths. If you're not achieving that, you're failing the assignment. They're also *severely* hurting the number of people who would even queue All Roles, because people are dissuaded from queueing it if they know it's not actually a slot that will have them flex.
At this point I’m annoyed if I get DPS (happened twice in one day recently) because I’m out of practice on every single one of them 😭
Lmao that’s actually hilarious, flex queue has made you a tank main on accident.
I agree! There should be some type of system that tracks what roles you have been in. In OW1, flex felt no different that queuing for support. In OW2, it feels like tank and support 50-50. When I get DPS, I’m thrown in a match that a prior DPS left and the game is already one sided. Can’t tell you the last time I was placed in a match as a DPS from the beginning.
There should just be a pity meter for flexing. If you have played any role 3 times in the last 10 games then you can't get it and it refreshes every 10 games or something
They literally tried this Not only did it not actually do anything to even out queue times, it led to DPS main characters queueing tank once, intentionally throwing to get the game over with faster, all so they could priority queue for DPS.
You weren't there to see it lol.
My suggestion is that if you’re flexing you should be given priority to play multiple roles. Right now flex just puts you in the next available game which is always on tank. I’m not asking for currency or anything, I just want to press flex, forget about it and have the matchmaker give me a variety of roles through my session. If you’re a tank main and only want to play tank then just do that, you’re missing my point.
Why would they do this? Just don’t queue tank if you don’t want to tank next match
Flex is rewarded, with but it's with dailys/weeklies progress. I know you mean something else, but we have that at least 😂
Flex queue means you are placed where you are most needed. Very few people play tank so 90% of the time a tank is needed. It’s not rocket science, and you barely get anything extra for flex queuing. If you don’t want to always play tank, don’t queue flex. It ain’t that deep
It’s just annoying always being assigned the same role. I play all roles and want a healthy mix during any given session. I want to just let the algorithm handle it for me. I honestly wouldn’t care if the mix was 60/30/10 tank/support/dps but tank every time is annoying.
the rewards you want was called priority requeue passes in the old days. It didn't work as advertised because DPS players would just farm those passes. Luckily I was an actual tank player at the time, so my team was a bit lucky in that I was slightly competent in the role and was actually trying.
Listen, no shade to full-time tank players, but I don’t know how anyone can tank for every match. If I’m forced into tank by flex queuing I just feel like the flex option is a scam.
That's the thing, we know from OW1 that 6v6 2-2-2 has major queue time issues, it should not be a surprise to anyone flex queue in this mode is 100% tank. That's why they went 5v5 1-2-2. Also their way of "reducing" queue time is not working, I only saw one team last night get 1-3-2 in the many games I played and they were matched against my team which got 2-2-2 and they lost. You'd think they would try to enforce 1-3-2 only playing against 1-3-2 :/
they need to have random mode, like starcraft but some of the devs are lazy and they want ANY solution to the Tank problem (in this scenario they are tricking users with deceit) you are 100% correct and everyone else is wrong
Why can’t they just make it so if you flex you can’t que into the same role twice in a row
I usually pick flex and then I remove whichever role I played last until I play all 3, use the 5 minutes waiting for a DPS queue to do other stuff
100 Battlepass XP every game. Adds up.
they should only reward wins to disincentivize throwing on tank
They should reward them all but give like 5-10x the reward for winning or something. That means even if you’re on a losing streak you’re still incentivized to keep filling, and if anything you’re incentivized to try harder to win.
i’m a tank / support main for this reason LOL