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r/Ultralight · u/michigician1 авг. 2026 г., 14:41

Alpha suit + wind suit + rain gear

I am interested in people's experience using alpha direct clothing and wind pants/shirt as the entire set of clothing outside of the worn clothing (shorts/shirt/socks) and rain gear.

Here is what I would consider a full alpha suit: pants, hoody, socks/booties which could also be used as mitts, and beanie.

A wind suit: pants, hoody, booties/mitts.

You would select which pieces of the suits to take along based on weather. For example, in summer, the alpha pants and booties are not needed. If there is not heavy bug pressure, the wind booties are not necessary.

My preference for the wind suit is uncoated, lightweight ripstop nylon. The more breathable, the better. I have used both 60 and 90 alpha fabric and don't have a preference.

My suits are myog, but you can assemble a suit pretty easily using vendors. Here is some weight data, this is for a xxl size with everything oversized for a loose fit.

Alpha hoody 246g

Alpha pants 113g

Alpha booties/mitts 31g

Alpha beanie 36g

Nylon hoodie 97g

Nylon pants 94g

Nylon booties 34g

These are weights from my scale this morning.

So for a total weight of 652g, the suits provide 3 season insulation, bug protection, and wind protection.

You would also need your worn clothes, a raincoat and maybe a extra pair of socks.

So I am wondering if anyone else is using the wind suit + alpha suit concept, and what your experiences have been.

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u/hollowsocket11 авг. 2026 г., 14:48
I do this, too. AD 90 hoodie with a Dooy windshirt is plenty warm. If things get too windy or cold in camp, I can either wrap my quilt around me or put on my poncho with sleeves. For lower layers, I have a cheap fleece pant (only marginally heavier than AD pants) and the Body Wrappers dance pants for a wind layer. I soak the wind layers in permethrin to enhance their use as bug layers, but they are lightweight and breatheable enough to use in summer. This served me well on a recent 8-day PCT section hike.
- u/mattcat3311 авг. 2026 г., 17:27
  dooy + dance pants is the way.
u/Xantippes_Thunder11 авг. 2026 г., 15:04
I just got back from Peru and did this (on top) for the high country trips (30-60 F / 0-15 C). I brought an AD 60 crew shirt and a Houdini’s wind shirt. I stayed plenty warm when it was cold, but the downside for me was when it warmed up and I wanted to cool down, the AD shirt was not nearly ‘sun proof’ enough for me to feel comfortable taking the Houdini off, as in I felt like I could feel myself getting sunburned through the loose weave as soon as I took off the wind shirt. Just my experience, and the sun is brutal at 5000 m in general.
u/liveslight11 авг. 2026 г., 15:07
Not using the concept, but do use AD 90 and ultralight rain gear AD 90 hoodie Farpointe size M 131 g AD 90 camp pants, size M Farpointe 102 g AD 90 socks Farpointe for sleeping 19 g Montbell versalite jacket size M 178 g Zpacks Vertice rain pants 85 g total: 515 g of carried weight. The above when used with "worn clothes"' gives wind, rain, snow, sleep protection. I guess my always worn JollyGear front-buttoned, collared, long-sleeve sun hoody is worn gear, but also reasonably windproof when fully buttoned so replaces your nylon hoodie. When unbuttoned it it like having an enormous pit zip right down the front of your torso.
- u/outcropping11 авг. 2026 г., 18:44
  This is my exact wardrobe as well.
u/originalusername__11 авг. 2026 г., 15:40
I dont think your idea is uncommon at all, there are dozens of us! It covers nearly every use case i see and if its hot or cold i just add in a puffy or base layers or whatever to suit the conditions but i rarely need more than a sun hoodie, running shorts, wind layers, a fleece hoodie, and a puffy. AD makes great sleep layer as long as you don’t mind getting your quilt dirty, but even carrying a light quilt protector weighs less than dedicated sleep layers. The only concern ive had with that approach is if the alpha layers get wet close to bed time but i can always sleep nakey.
u/DKhike11 авг. 2026 г., 16:14
Yeah, I normally use alpha as sleep suit. Just came back from a 2 week trip to Northern Sweden. One day it was raining heavily and I used an alpha shirt under my rain layer. It's a silpoly jacket so I wanted to wear something fast drying. The yamatomichi alpha vest and sleeves are my most used articles of clothing as midlayer in warmer weather as I generally run hot. The sleeves double as sleep socks on shorter trips. Some days it was too hot to wear a wool baselayer so I was wearing just the vest alone at around 23 C. The back of the vest is just thin synthetic fabric so it kept me from overheating.
u/manderminder11 авг. 2026 г., 16:35
Wind booties?
- u/purpletinder11 авг. 2026 г., 17:13
  Bread bags > wind booties
u/Road_Virus11 авг. 2026 г., 16:43
I use an 90 alpha hoodie, montane windshirt and the altus atmospheric poncho/trench coat/pack cover. Worn together this is warm enough to get me to 15F.
u/32getreddit11 авг. 2026 г., 17:06
Similar to how I pack. You can use your rain shell as the wind shell, depending on anticipated weather. And since alpha layers so easily, you can eschew the puffer in cold weather and bring a second alpha layer. I'll sometimes take both 60 and 90 hoodies, which sum to the weight of a UL down hoodie. Maybe less warm but much more flexible and effective when wet.
u/DrBullwinkleMoose11 авг. 2026 г., 17:26
*> I am interested in people's experience using alpha direct clothing and wind pants/shirt as the entire set of clothing outside of the worn clothing (shorts/shirt/socks) and rain gear.* What else would anyone wear?
u/AdAny627011 авг. 2026 г., 19:24
Their old site explaining their gear choices is down now, but this couple has done some massive expeditions and they exclusively wear a fleece suit and raingear. https://groundtruthalaska.org/articles/fruits-of-insanity/

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