i dont know why. healing is not enough and my team doesn't know how to play with him. i also hate the new dps passive thing. are they gonna change that?
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That guy doesn’t even work at blizzard anymore why is he here?
LMAOO thats an old meme! 2021 i think
That guy made Overwatch, to be fair.
But.... its not healer is it? It's support. He applies support via healing and speed buffs, mercy heals and damage boosts, weaver heals and helps with mobility.... Almost every support has some sort of buff or negative effect they can give, the only exception being brig, who was designed around that by having a shield, the only* character in the game barring tanks to have a true shield. *(except major perk sym)
ik but i can't help my team with anything i fear. i use speedboost in the "correct" way but EVERY TIME my tank cries ab heals
Everyone says this but like let’s be fr for a second. How do they provide the most support? They’re healers
Exactly. Also isn’t Lucio kinda meta in comp right now?
Moore also doesn't have a buff/debuff
W take. I get us supports are here to keep our team up but our role does go way deeper than that. Same case with marvel rivals. I couldn’t imagine what they go through in game after hearing some of the discourse from their community
brig gives armor with her ult! she also has boop (displacement) with her whipshot. stun with her ult. if you wanna talk about lack of utility, it's #1, 2, 3 to moira. illari takes 4th.
I hate the way people use "but it's support, not healer" as a crutch when a Lucio is doing 2k healing by the end of a map and the rest are 10k+
Its been 10 years since this game released and people still think every support should just be the holy priest from world of warcraft
A fellow Reinhardt should never play down a good Lucio.
its always dva or junkerqueen in my matches. i love reinhard
One of my favorite things in Overwatch is speed boosting a Rein so that his arm seems 10 feet longer.
Good is the important word here. Lucios skill floor is a little too high for the average support player.
My exact response I came here to make. No Rein player would ever complain about having Lucio.
Second that
He’s becoming more necessary as new heroes keep getting wild mobility moving at light speed
Unfortunately Juno does his job better
Lucio is the definition of "support, not healer" That being said, your team needs to pay attention and move as a group to take value from it, so he usually falls flat in the average game
Rein + Ana + Lucio is always my favourite combo (I’m a tank main). I don’t care whether it’s meta or not, Lucio and Ana excel at protecting each other vs a flanker, Lucio can then get the Ana back to a good position to help the Rein. It just works
Yeah a good Lucio. Which are like 1 in 100, the other 99% just watched a frogger vid and think they wanna do the same thing with none of frogger’s ability
Running down an enemy team with Lucio boost, nano boost and the Ana nade landing just right when you hit their frontline is the best feeling as Reinhard. I have not felt so powerful in many games
Emphasis on ‘a *good* Lucio’
Who said Lucio was a healer? He’s a support. His support is speed boost, AOE heal and ANGLE DAMAGE Do you think kiriko is as strong as she is because of her hps?
please tell that my team LMAOO!! ive been saying this 😪😪
Lucio is sadly just one of those supports whose "support" is more nuanced in a game where most measure supports purely by healing output rather than utility. Whereas Lucio's greatest asset to support his team is his *mobility*. He can quickly swoop in on a teammate in trouble, booping an enemy out of the way while speed boosting his teammate so they can get to cover quicker, then heal them up. Or rapidly cross field to dive a troublesome hitscans, or a support really far in the backline that wpuld otherwise take too much time for other characters to engage with. I think Blizzard could do a better job in the tutorialization phase of demonstrating the value of various heroes and their use cases. Or at least a some videos about team composition or basic strategy examples as supplementary/optional resources. Rather than just, "heres how to play soldier 76, you can shoot, run, heal yourself, and eventually use an ultimate ability. Tanks will tank, supports will heal, and that's all you need to know, have fun out there kid!"
I think some examples in the tutorial would be so sick but I feel like balance patches and meta changes can quickly change the “correct” way to play certain heroes. IIRC long again blizzard started working with certain content creators on this exact thing, but it never saw the light of day.
This shit made me laugh
I know Lucio is supposedly fine. I have played 90% support since 2016 and hes the only support I dont really know how to duo properly with. Feels like I just take over healing and save his ass the whole game.
They’re called “supports” for a reason, not healers. The only real healbot is mercy, who half the time is boosting your damage.
I don't know get this post. I'm a Lucio main and I have top heals 90% of the time, along with as many kills as anyone else on my team.
Yeah Im in the same boat. Im not even a Lucio main but every time I play him Im getting top heals, or within spitting distance of it. Its not like Ana where Ill have half as much healing as the next person.
Lucio is still pretty darn strong
Lucio is one of the consistently most meta supports because speed boost is that cracked
There are two issues with Lucio in a lot of patches. His healing is fairly weak and very short ranged. To get the most out of it, your team needs to group up. Which leads them to being easier targets to AoE attacks and Ults. second a lot of Lucio's like to wall ride around and basically be a flank DPS... meaning no one really benefits from anything he does but himself. I always thought it be nice if Lucio had an ability to grant wall riding to his team mates in some fashion. That way you could follow and keep up with him.
Speed boost has always been nothing burger to an uncoordinated team.
Lucio's yes, impossible when you are playing with randoms or without comms. Because it has to be timed by the Lucio and your team has to be around then. Juno's no, because there's no timing and everyone can just use it and she doesn't have to give up her healing for it.
It's still cool if you have a really aggressive tank. He might not even realize why he's smashing the other team so hard, but smash them he will!
aka most quickplay teams, unfortunately.
Yeah, that plus his higher skill ceiling play means he's amazing in higher tiers and is almost never buffed. Buff him more for lower tiers and you could create an absolute MONSTER for high tier/owcs play, close to peak brig times depending on what was buffed.
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Honestly I hate having Lucio on my team as a tank main. 9/10 times they always ult after the team fight was lost. I also main Ramattra so I get no benefit of being near a Lucio to begin with.
“Healer” you’re literally bronze lol
Healing isn't the issue though. Sure, in ladder mid to low SR Lucio is considered a fairly poor pick because of his crummy healing...and now they've really overnerfed Beat...and his role passive is based on his now crappy ultimate...and his only perk choice is the better option -for his now doodoo ult- or for his boop...which they heavily nerfed to make space for his (now nerfed) ultimate perk...so not ideal lmao. But he has historically been viable because of his survivability -which now other supports do much better-, his ability to peel for his other support backline -which other supports now do better-, and his ability to apply speed to his team which, the current thought from high SR scrimmers is that Juno can do safer, with more healing, and in a more intelligible way for ladder play or Mizuki (with a perk) is able to do, while just doing more of EVERYTHING, and with a better ult than Lucio. Lucio is just kinda powercrept and dogwater right now. Everyone else does what he does, better.
Lucio can be useful and even strong, in the right hands and right match ups. Too bad 99% of the time, it's just a useless wall riding target practice.
I mean, he was basically meta for 90% of OW. These things happen. It's almost impossible to have perfect balance. Hopefully they fix him soon.
I had a Lucio last night have bonkers high heals since the other healer was a (ineffective) DPS Moira. Between this and him getting some kills he had his ult almost every team fight and we won the match. It can work on QP.
Support
A good lucio needs good skill expression. You can either support with him, which requires an experienced team who knows to expect and utilize speed boost, or you can play him like Spider-man with blood lust: descend on your enemy from above, and obliterate them with shocking agility.
“It’s not healer it’s support” man if y’all don’t get outta here with that lol. Support players LOVE getting pats on the head for high healing. But if they lose, they are quick to call the enemy support a healbot. I have never seen tank/dps players flame their supports for “healbotting” lol. That term was coined by support players to flame other support players.
I very much have seen tank and DPS complaining about their supports "healing too much" (like idk dude, get hit less then)
As a support character since I can heal allies especially with my weapon since I mostly use kiriko/Juno I barely even point my crosshairs towards and enemy unless they are trying to to flank me/or low enough for me to just one shot
Why would you lose and then insult the other, winning supports? Their actions won the game, whatever they were
the easiest way to spot a metal rank player is asking them their opinion on lucio
His healing has been gutted to the point where he might as well just be converted to a dps
If you can't give value to your team as Lucio then you shouldn't play Lucio.
Overwatch players when a support can't just pump them with heals while they take the entire lobbies worth of damage standing in the middle of the choke.
Let me guess, bronze-silver rank, right? Support=\=healbot.
So the game hasn't changed much since the last time I played? This meme is so old it still has Jeff in it
You'd be surprised at just how much healing I've done as Lucio before.
I fucking love him when I play zarya
I love playing as Lucio, but I always feel like I'm letting my team down because of the lower healing output, especially after the antiheal thing. Still... with over 300h playtime as Lucio its still my highest winrate hero, sitting at 58% so maybe I'm doing something right?
God I forget how bad most of this sub is
Lucio is the best you’re trippin
I don't think I've ever been on a team with a Lucio that actually healed. The character just isn't built to be a healer, which is fine, but the way people play him means he doesn't heal at all. Every Lucio I've ever played with has ended up on the other side of the map, dying over and over again while screaming for heals, because they're acting like an idiot.
A lucio speeding should effectively mean you need less healing to close the gap on your targets. Swing mf swing!
I like his vibe also high skill ceiling if you want to play him in ranked.
This is so relevant to my 6v6 comp matches recently
Reddit lucio and frogger (love him and his content, but he inspires too much DPS lucio shenanigans among thr player base) has done irreparable damage to the public perception of lucio. His passive is an aura for a reason